Everybody knows the word "Messiah," but what did it mean before it meant Jesus?
In this "What's That?" segment, we follow the anointed one from oil poured on the heads of Israelite kings and priests, to the Persian emperor Cyrus (whom the Greek text of Isaiah has God calling "my Christ"), to the apocalyptic deliverer of Daniel and the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Then comes the big pivot: how a messiah expected to restore Israel's political independence became, after the crucifixion, a spiritual savior from sin and death.
Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:45 What Is a Messiah?
1:24 Christ Is Not a Last Name
3:13 What Anointing Meant
4:34 Anointed Ones, Not "The Messiah"
5:02 Cyrus, God's Anointed
7:07 David's Line and the Exile
9:56 The Eschatological Turn
11:48 Two Messiahs at Qumran
13:13 Jesus and the Big Pivot
15:38 Was Isaiah 53 Messianic?
16:16 Why the Pivot Worked
17:37 Reinventing the Messiah
19:10 The Great Delay
19:36 How Bleak Did It Get?
20:24 Origins of Eternal Torment
22:34 Wrap-Up
…We need to stop assuming a Jesus existed and start asking what the origins of Christianity looked like without one. That paradigm shift is the only way to move forward in understanding early Christianity. And I don’t just assert this. I prove it. I present detailed examples of how real progress can be made when we abandon the old paradigm, and how the old paradigm is forcing scholars into convoluted knots and embarrassing errors …
Can the appearances of Jesus be explained away as hallucinations?
Two leading doctors offer a medical critique. Dr. Harold Koenig is one of the world's experts in the intersection of science, theology, and spirituality. He has written 575 peer-reviewed scientific journals and 55 books. Craig Fowler, M.D., is Professor & Chair of Surgery at the Campbell University School of Osteopathic Medicine. He has received both Best Doctor in America and US Top Ophthalmology awards.
While scholarly consensus (and my starting position) affirms a historical figure upon which the legends of Christianity are based, is that really the most likely explanation? Godless Engineer joins me to present the Minimal Facts Case for the Mythicism of Jesus.
Guest host Jaaron has recently co-authored Christ Before Jesus: Evidence for the Second-Century Origins of Jesus
-- a book on the question of whether or not the Jesus of the Gospels ever actually existed, whether Paul actually existed, and new evidence for much later writing of all four gospels than we have been taught to believe. He takes questions from the audience. (Click the above link on the book title for a detailed description of the book and/or to purchase a copy.)
TIMESTAMPS
2:15 Intro of Jaaron
10:35 Graphics - Caller insults hosts and then runs
18:20 Check Razor - Has a few questions and not here to debate
28:50 NewJoeJohnson - Asks a few questions in the earliest writings of Jesus but also not here to debate
38:23 Angelo - Didn’t even try to present evidence so got dropped
45:15 NapoleonSimp49 - Did Socrates exist? Was Paul real?
1:05:15 Chris Phenix - The shroud of Turin is good evidence of Jesus being real; Call goes to conspiracies about Catholicism and COVID; Was Jesus wrapped in multiple strips of linen?
1:36:00 (Chris Phenix) - Was Psalm 22 a prophecy? More nonsense from caller mixed with disinfo
2:02:55 FormerlyKnownAsDillon - Did Josephus talk about Jesus’s brother? What do we know about John the Baptist? Was Jesus a Nazarene?
2:34:40 Hammer [Norse Polytheist] - What does Tacitus say about Jesus? How did the translation of Psalm 22 happen? Did Marcionites write the Pauline epistles? When were the epistles written?
3:13:10 Schmel [Non-Christian] - Did Greek converts write the New Testament? Were the first writings meant to be taken literally? How did the Talmud affect the Gospel authors’ views? Call is mostly Q&A and not debate
Jesus didn’t emerge from a vacuum. In first-century Judea, apocalyptic preachers, messianic expectations, resurrection beliefs, and end-times movements were already everywhere. Yale scholar John J. Collins explains the forgotten world that shaped Jesus—and why understanding that world may radically change how you think about Christianity’s origins.