Wednesday, October 21, 2026

John’s Jesus Didn’t Pre-Exist. The Word Did. (w/ Dustin Smith) (Dan McClellan and Dan Beecher; Data Over Dogma podcast on YouTube)

"In the beginning was the Word," but what if the Word wasn't Jesus?

New Testament scholar Dustin Smith (Spartanburg Methodist College, host of the Biblical Unitarian Podcast) joins us to unpack his book Wisdom Christology in the Gospel of John, showing how John's prologue takes what Jewish tradition said about personified Wisdom (present at creation, tabernacling among humans, offering bread, wine, and life) and applies it to Jesus.

Along the way: why "monotheism" once meant the doctrine of the Unitarians, why the women in John understand Jesus better than the Twelve, and why John's Jesus may be more human than you were taught.

Chapters:

0:00 Intro
0:38 Meet Dustin Smith
1:38 Monotheism once meant Unitarianism
2:59 What is Unitarianism?
4:06 Wisdom Christology in John
5:39 Christology 101
7:00 Lady Wisdom in Proverbs
8:37 Proverbs 31 embodies Wisdom
10:05 Wisdom made flesh in Judaism
12:14 Word, Wisdom, and Spirit
13:46 Wisdom in John's prologue
19:02 Did John read Philo?
20:36 Why "Word," not "Wisdom"?
21:49 Not a conscious Logos
23:06 The Word at the baptism
26:32 Did Jesus pre-exist?
33:34 Wisdom, Torah, and John 10
35:31 John's misunderstanding motif
37:47 "You are gods"
39:02 Why is Wisdom a woman?
44:24 Women as ideal disciples
47:32 The Samaritan woman
49:21 John vs. the Synoptics
51:09 John's very human Jesus
53:44 Can disciples share divinity?
57:20 Why this matters today
1:00:52 Wrap-up and new website

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