Can You Lie for Jesus? Joel Webbon Thinks So (Dan McClellan and Dan Beecher; Data Over Dogma podcast on YouTube)

Christian nationalist pastor Joel Webbon says the state should seize churches that fly pride flags and auction the buildings to "faithful" churches — then tells politicians who agree with him to keep quiet about it until after they've won office.

This episode we take issue with the whole scheme: it isn't biblical, it isn't American, and it leans on a Hebrew Bible king (Josiah) precisely because the New Testament won't cooperate. But then things get strange, because when you ask whether the Bible actually forbids deception, the answer — right up to God himself — is a whole lot messier than "thou shalt not bear false witness."

Chapters:

0:00 Intro
0:48 Can You Lie for Jesus?
1:30 Who Is Joel Webbon?
3:43 Josiah's Purge (2 Kings 23)
6:08 Propaganda, Not History
6:39 Depose the Pride-Flag Pastors
7:51 Hide Your Power Levels
9:19 Echoes of Project 2025
10:11 Is It Biblical?
13:08 Kings vs. the New Testament
14:15 No Religious Test for Office
16:25 Is It American?
18:27 Can You Lie for Good?
20:26 Jacob and the Divine Trickster
22:12 When God Lies
23:53 Why Is Lying the Line?
26:02 Is Webbon Consistent?
28:18 Deception in Real Politics
30:38 Wrap-Up

Interview: 

https://youtu.be/iInxlaNtCgU?si=5cwOhHfGad9xOx3P