Johnny's call to DZ Debates, 11/19/2025

I recommend this select portion of this video because:

• Johnny asks good questions that religious people have of non-believers, 
• Justin and Sarah are good at explaining, and 
• Included is a demonstration of how sloppy and misleading ChatGPT can be in answering theological questions.

Johnny is a theist, calling in to Justin's show. The topic is "Your god is imaginary. Prove me wrong." Among the points Johnny raises and Justin and Sarah respond to:

• How can you not believe in a creator? How can something come from nothing?
• The universe runs on laws. How can there not be a law-giver?
• How do you explain consciousness?
• Where do our concepts of right and wrong come from? 
• Doesn't the fact that I know right from wrong mean I have a soul?  If not, how do you explain that?
• What is spirit?
• What do we need science for?
• Didn't Jesus fulfill prophecies? (Hint: No. None.)
• What about the trinity? (Hint: It breaks the laws of logic.)

Justin explains how the trinity is logically impossible and does not make sense. In particular, Jesus did not have the attributes of God, so he cannot be identical to God or fully God. 

Justin explains the fundamental laws of logic:

1. The Law of Identity: A thing cannot be "A" and "not A" at the same time and in the same way.
2. The Law of Non-Contradiction: A thing cannot be both true and false at the same time.
3. The Law of the Excluded Middle: Every proposition or claim must be either true or false. It cannot be both true and false. There is no in-between.

Can God be identical to himself and also not himself? The God of the Christian Bible has contradictory properties, which therefore, by definition, cannot be true. Conclusion: The God of the Bible cannot exist. You have to drop some properties. Therefore, either the God of the Bible does not exist entirely, or the description of the God in the Bible is wrong.

Johnny calls upon ChatGPT for help. Did Jesus fulfill any prophecies? ChatGPT says yes; Justin proves it wrong, by showing that if you use a loose definition of "fulfill" that ChatGPT uses, and ignore the context of verses, then Justin himself fulfills the same prophecies in the same way Jesus did. Sarah and Justin explain why ChatGPT will never reliably give the correct answer because it has no ability to evaluate the quality of its sources of information; it just guesses based upon what is most popular.

The following questions are asked of ChatGPT:

Q: Is Jesus 100% God?

Q: Can you be 100% of something while not having all of its attributes?

Q: What are the essential properties of God?

Q: Are the Omni properties essential properties of the God of the Bible?

Q: Is Jesus omniscient?

Q: How is Jesus omniscient if he does not know the day or the hour (Matthew 24:36)? 

Q: How can an omnipotent being be limited? 

At first, ChatGPT agrees with Johnny by saying Jesus only seemed to not be God because he turned off his all-knowingness temporarily. Justin suggests Johnny keep pressing ChatGPT with detailed follow-up questions, and ultimately, ChatGPT agrees with Justin, that Jesus could not logically be identical to God because he was not omniscient or omnipotent; it just a Christian mystery. 

One big take-away is the astonishing degree to which ChatGPT has been trained to defend Christian theology unless you force it to acknowledge its logical inconsistency.

Interview with Johnny begins at 4:40:06 in the video: 

https://www.youtube.com/live/YBZGL4_7WgI?t=16806s